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  1. Rajiv, your emotions and feelings are well understood and appreciated. There is nothing we can possible do when the whole system is stinking . The PM has been made a dummy and just under command to keep it that way . They will sacrifice some Ministers due to present revelations and the rest will continue to loot the country. I do not think the Country has a viable alternative where the votes are bought to bring the corrupt to rule the nation. One Party is worse than the other .

  2. Dear Mr. Jain

    Namashkar

    I am quite pained and frustrated and am sure many would be as disgusted as I am today with what we are going through… It is a shame to face the world and is difficult to answer questions which are posed by people outside to whom we boast & bloat the greatness our Culture & NATION….

    Feel like going into oblivion than facing humiliating barrage of queries from friends (foreigners & Indians too, who live abroad and belittle our Great Nation)

    What a shame that these sycophants & shameless characters have been voted by our, what to say – ignorant / innocent public….

    Oh! Lord if you are there …..which I know you are….bring in a TSUNAMI change in the mind set of people and REVOLUTIONIZE the thought process and give WISDOM to the people to think in the right direction…

    Though it all is a fantasy…. & you have rightly said…. every Politician, visible today is not lesser evil than the other….. whoever gets an opportunity wants to have a pie of the cake….

    Regret I am not seeing light across the tunnel as yet….are you…

  3. Do we have a choice?
    Can we stop paying taxes?
    If we vote out this party, who will we vote in? Are you sure they will not loot the nation?
    Army rule may have some negatives, but it is preferable to have rule of law rather than rule of thugs.
    But we are all scared of lobbying for Army rule. Someone has to start this change of thought process. Ten years of law and order will cure us of hooligan rulers.

    • Hi Amit, Your feelings are understandable. It comes from the concern for our country. But we need to keep our sense of justice intact and should not lose our ability to think rationally and patiently despite problems and challenges.
      Few things I would like to say:
      1. We can learn from our neighbors and many other countries of the world about their experience with military rule.You can change democratic governments if you don’t like them but my friend the country will have to shed lots of blood to change military rulers once they are in power.
      2. I absolutely don’t agree with this argument being promoted by some civil society groups, a section of media and others that all politicians and political parties are hopeless or corrupt. We have corrupt people, thugs, criminals and all sort of bad elements in politics but they are not just in politics.Politicians are not more corrupt than bureaucrats, judges, lawyers, journalists, businessmen, teachers, doctors, contractors, land developers and religious leaders. Corruption is everywhere. Despite all this we have very fine people with highest standards of integrity in all political parties. We have honest and able people in Congress, BJP, left parties and other regional parties.
      Dr Manmohan Singh, Dr Kalam, Vajpayee, Sonia Gandhi, Advani, Sita Ram Yetury, Prakash Karat, Nitish Kumar, Narinder Modi are all not corrupt people though you may have differences with their political views.
      And the number of corrupt people in Indian politicians is not more than any other country, including so-called developed nations of the world.
      Get out of this cynical and negative mindset about your country my friend. India is not that bad as you think.
      If a investigating agency like CBI can take action against ministers and their relatives, if judiciary can give judgments against governments and if media is free to say anything against governments and parties, it is a BOLD sign of working democracy. Government agencies, judges, media people dont act or speak against ruling parties in military rules, one party rules like China and under dictatorships.

  4. Rajiv,

    Very well said. But I can’t fathom why you mention “What amazes me is, Why is he doing it? Why is he allowing his “impeccable integrity” label to become a farce (or it always was”? Isn’t it all obvious?

    May be he is making up for the lost time before good days pass and he is dumped in to the garbage can of history. Also have patience and faith. Your prayers will surely be answered one day by the all pervasive ever kind and benevolent lord almighty . Didn’t the Bene Israelis eventually return in the mid of twentieth century to their original home in Palestine from where they were banished to wilderness over two millenniums back?

    SVJ

  5. Bansal and his family and nephews promoted a person in the Railway Ministry as Member of the Railway Board ( Electrical ) by taking goose of few crores. Where was the vigilance clearance and are they also corrupt and took their share of the loot. Many years back I knew one person who’s only job was to locate high ranking jobs in top Govt and Public Sector companies and get them gifted taking a huge amount as bribe . Naturally we had a arrangement in the circuit to pay all who were involved to sanction these positions.

    The PM has no way to escape as he was the Coal Minister also and all the scam went under his eyes. Either he is too naive or also has shared the loot. PMO’s office was also involved in changing the CBI investigation report . Did he shut his eyes. The CBI has operated under the Dynasty rule and they start cases against all those politicians or aam addmi who does not obey the diktat. The defense deals are all shady as the middleman engages and employs senior retired Generals who have influence in the corridors of power. There is huge pendency of cases in all Courts and the Judges in connivance with Lawyers are happy to adjoin the cases and give dated after dates . The whole system is stinking and as such there is no escape and we need to tolerate all which is happening else leave your jobs and come on the street and make a massive protest and also lynch the politicians who remain protected under the Law and Judiciary as they know the art of manipulation….

    On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Harjeet Singh wrote:

    I hv been reading about UPA govt as most corrupt and so many galis and abuse has been showered on them.Our PM is being blamed for all the ills. It is but natural to get influenced by so many arguments against our PM.

    Let us discuss what are the options available.
    1. When ever any govt official is promoted there is a vigilance clearance. Then why so many govt officials still commit corruption and nepotism.

    2. No vigilance clearance is reqd for ministers and if it was a practice was it possible to unearth Bansal like scandals.

    3. The main issue is the election cost and greed has gone up and in competitive politics all unusual schemes are being invented by CA’s/Lawyers that digging into loop holes to circumvent the procedures or avoid taxes.

    4. I remember there was a film in which Anil Kapoor was the Hero. He was made CM for one day and from morning till eve he was only issuing suspension orders, put ministers in jail till there was none left. As an extension this is exactly what is happening as none of the cases could be put under wrap. The people hv to shun corrupt practices and PM cannot undertake this task alone

    The answer lies in us only. Too much Lakhsmi has been generated in our economy and we in spite of the fact being so religious , we r unable to control our greed.

    Regards Harjeet Singh,

  6. I hv been reading about UPA govt as most corrupt and so many galis and abuse has been showered on them.Our PM is being blamed for all the ills. It is but natural to get influenced by so many arguments against our PM.
    Let us discuss what are the options available.
    1. When ever any govt official is promoted there is a vigilance clearance. Then why so many govt officials still commit corruption and nepotism.
    2. No vigilance clearance is reqd for ministers and if it was a practice was it possible to unearth Bansal like scandals.
    3. The main issue is the election cost and greed has gone up and in competitive politics all unusual schemes are being invented by CA’s/Lawyers that digging into loop holes to circumvent the procedures or avoid taxes.
    4. I remember there was a film in which Anil Kapoor was the Hero. He was made CM for one day and from morning till eve he was only issuing suspension orders, put ministers in jail till there was none left. As an extension this is exactly what is happening as none of the cases could be put under wrap. The people hv to shun corrupt practices and PM cannot undertake this task alone
    The answer lies in us only. Too much Lakhsmi has been generated in our economy and we in spite of the fact being so religious , we r unable to control our greed.
    Regards Harjeet Singh,

  7. Bansal and his family and nephews promoted a person in the Railway Ministry as Member of the Railway Board ( Electrical ) by taking goose of few crores. Where was the vigilance clearance and are they also corrupt and took their share of the loot. Many years back I knew one person who’s only job was to locate high ranking jobs in top Govt and Public Sector companies and get them gifted taking a huge amount as bribe . Naturally we had a arrangement in the circuit to pay all who were involved to sanction these positions.

    The PM has no way to escape as he was the Coal Minister also and all the scam went under his eyes. Either he is too naive or also has shared the loot. PMO’s office was also involved in changing the CBI investigation report . Did he shut his eyes. The CBI has operated under the Dynasty rule and they start cases against all those politicians or aam addmi who does not obey the diktat. The defense deals are all shady as the middleman engages and employs senior retired Generals who have influence in the corridors of power. There is huge pendency of cases in all Courts and the Judges in connivance with Lawyers are happy to adjoin the cases and give dated after dates . The whole system is stinking and as such there is no escape and we need to tolerate all which is happening else leave your jobs and come on the street and make a massive protest and also lynch the politicians who remain protected under the Law and Judiciary as they know the art of manipulation….

  8. Well said, Mr Jain.

    Basically there is no contradiction between what Mr Harjeet Singh says and what you do. He has tried to analyse the root cause and you have portrayed the effect.
    In my view getting down to the streets is not an option. Indians are not designed to do that partly because we are all scared and partly because we are selfish.

    At the same time we are all are high moralists and keep paying lip-service to this issue of corruption, hoping against hope that someone will do the job of clearing the deck.

    And I find that the politicians – especially the congressmen are very clever and smart. They know how it works and will continue to excel in whatever they are good at. I will not be surprised if they come back in 2013 or 14 whenever the election is declared and find this group discussing fresh issues with ferver!!

    I am not frankly so sure that the opposition will not do this either, if and when they get the chance..

    That is what Arvind Kejriwal has been trying to say though but he could not say it effectively. But atleast the poor chap started something and as everyone rightly predicted, he made his noise which I am sure will get feebler by the day to one day die althogether.

    In my opinion not paying tax is not an option. Only when we do everything right, will we have the moral authoritiy to question the wrong.

    So what is the solution?

    1) try and support anti corruption movements as much as you can even if that means going in the cold/hot weather
    and attend meetings, holding peaceful processions like candle march etc.

    2) Wait for some better alternative to emerge — not sure if this will happen within our lifetime, but the effort has to
    kick in. I find the younger generation is more proactive and determined and that is why I am hopeful of this.

    OR

    3) pray that Army takes over .. again unlikely

    Sorry for the blabbering. I am as disturbed as Rajiv.. and still searching for answers…

    KK

  9. I do not agree with Mr Jain’s argument totally. Basic concept is if the corruption takes place, it should be caught immed.

    There is a serious contradiction in the sense why should it take place at all.There has to be fear of the law. We must analyze that in many matters the corrupt practice has disappeared like Electy connection/telephone connection etc.

    In mega deals involving political class it has increased but due to strong media attention more scandals r being exposed compared to the earlier times when scandals were there in large nos but less scandals were being exposed .

    We r getting alarmed at such scandals but i feel we should be happy that more scandals r coming out. Due to public uproar and Supreme Court steeping in to make CBI independent will strike fear in political class. Surely scandals should come down

    Let us stop Govt bashing and wait for the results of present investigations.

    Regards Harjeet Singh

  10. Accept your observations and solutions.

    Solution no 2 looks more practical and workable. The younger generation of the educated class observe much more than we do and they also come on the streets more than we do. They have tolerated enough and will come to our rescue . This is my strong feeling . They have their silent protests by marching on the streets with banners when ever they are aroused and last protest in Delhi was out side the PM and Sonia’s house and Police had to resort to water canons and tear gas to drive them away but they came back again and again seem determined to fight more so for social causes like rape etc.

    Hoping that they would one day find a solution .

  11. Dear Harjeet Sahab

    The irony is that the Gardner himself is the plucker and we are hoping (dreaming) to see beautiful flowers……….to top it, the public at large (ignorant / innocence) do not know who can be an alternative…

    Rajiv

  12. When a house is infested with termites the thing to do is to cover it with a tent and fumigate it with nitrogen. India has corruption as rampant as termites. Where does one start? Kejrival and Anna at least are DOING something.

    Ravi

  13. I do not understand why for every scandal PM is to be blamed. Every minister involved is first a member of a political party. As far as Congress is concerned Sonia Gandhi is the Chief. In Minister selection Sonia Gandhi has a say she should be held accountable. Why cant she issue a whip to every congress minister to declare assesses, interest in house hold companies their growth related Data to congress party internal vigilance etc.

    Minister fear Sonia Gandhi more than PM. Then why are these very ministers STILL indulging in corrupt practices and Sonia Gandhi getting away with no brick bats. She has to share the blame for the corrupt culture inculcated in the Congress party over the period of so many years.

    In case Congress chief gets strict surely it will have the effect. We must understand that the political party is sensitive to people’s feedback. In case people will not tolerate corruption and make it an election issue it will be reflected in the party’s attitude as well.

    IN SHORT TO BLAME PM FOR THE SCANDALS ETC IS UNFAIR AS SO MANY ISSUES ARE INVOLVED.

    Regards
    Harjeet Singh,

  14. Nobody is blaming the PM for any scandle; he is being blamed for not preventing scandals, for not punishing those who create scandals unless he is forced, for not realizing that he is the PM and not Sonia Gandhi.

    In short he is being blamed for not being the PM but still occupying the chair and this is because he is not the Prime Minister, he was appointed by Sonia Gandhi.

  15. Gentlemen,

    The only way the PM can save his known integrity and honesty (cannot vouch ) is to take command and get out of his party deep encroachment on him and take some bold actions.

    One action could be to expose the politicians also from his party who have squandered the nation’s wealth in money laundering and keeping the same in safe heavens through havala routes.

    The names of all such exposed persons are with him as provided under treaty with their countries Govt’s and this would well establish his credentials and dedication as person appointed to safe guard this country for all such mischievous acts. Only than the people of this country would come to know that he is honest and carries high level of integrity.

    This comes with the rider that his name is not on the list.

  16. I appreciate your sentiments Rajiv but i feel that you are being too pessimist. Corruption and scams are not just in India. Tell me any country in the world that is free from scams and corruption scandal? And second important thing- no government of any party or ideology will be ever able to give us 100 guarantee to give totally corruption free administration. Fight against corruption is a ongoing process just like any other crime.
    Despite challenges India made a remarkable progress in last 20 years. It would be a big lie and stupidity if we say and believe that India didn’t progress after independence or in last few decades. We are still growing at minimum 6 percent growth rate though the whole world is going through recession. Fight against corruption, crime and politics of dishonesty is a continuous fight and part of our system of self correction.
    Look at the big picture. A country of billion plus people with so much poverty and diversity of all types is very successfully managing its democratic institutions, fair elections, active judiciary, independent media, and fairly independent working of government agencies.

    • Jasvir,

      I have NO doubt that we are growing and will keep growing…the sheer inertia of the largest youth population is HUGE flywheel which will keep rotating….. Wish we had a Political Nationalistic Vision, we could have been a Developed country by now…. Though we will, sooner or later…. but my personal irony is that when I could see that happening with my own eyes, I am being deprived off….

      Well we will keep debating & venting out our frustrations, but it is certainly a fact that we have grown phenomenally in the past 2 decades…I endorse your views …

      • I appreciate your open minded approach and flexibility Rajiv. India will certainly grow and become a world leader and it is already a world leader in many ways. My understanding is that we are going through a phase in our parliamentary democracy where we are learning to work with highly developed and modern democratic institutions which are new to us.
        Another challenge is that our governments are not stable. Coalitions have been disastrous for us. I believe that if our governments are allowed to work freely for their elected terms we can progress at much faster rate. All parties who have claim on power need to understand this.
        Maybe all democracies in world need to find a new model of governments which could provide at least 5 years of stable and strong government.Lots of energy is being spend on struggling to save governments from falling down and conspiring to bring governments down. We need to practice nationalism by becoming responsible citizens, employees, tax payers, political activist and leaders. Nationalism is not just a slogan.
        I agree with you that we need to keep debating with a very positive attitude.

  17. Jasvir, we need people with integrity in our parliament… A VERY STRONG opposition.

    Though I might be fantasizing but would like to see people who keep national interest in mind while taking any decisions. This country is great…still rich despite being looted by Mughals & Britishers, and has rich heritage, culture which needs to be preserved….regret we are losing values our ancestors taught us…. Must appreciate the Indians living abroad who at-least are trying to maintain the traditional values…

    Keep praying that we grow rapidly and see a Beautiful India , that too very soon… AMEN

  18. Hey Rajiv I copied your thoughts on TOI today and said that your prayers were heard and the Opposition instead of resigning must win. Which they did. Cheers man. Hope these are now not men of Straw. Namo is defintely not as are some of his other colleagues. Let us hope they band together and do a good job, and let us now put in our worth too.

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